2 POGs Save the World Podcast
Two Army veterans—one left, one right—unite for the ultimate mission: tackling real-world problems with common sense, logic, and a healthy dose of military humor. 2 POGs Save the World isn’t your typical political podcast. Hosts Kj Bradley & Lance O'Neil bring unfiltered discussions, sharp debates, and tactical solutions to the chaos of modern society.
From politics and national security to sports and pop culture, no topic is off-limits. With battle-tested insights and zero tolerance for BS, these two POGs (Personnel Other than Grunts) prove that you don’t have to agree on everything to find real solutions.
Join the fight every Sunday at 8:30 PM EST, where the only thing sharper than the takes is the wit. Mission: Common Sense. Execution: Hilarious. Victory: Inevitable
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2 POGs Save the World Podcast
Chaos & Shenanigans Afoot!
The Country's gone mad! We talk about it all from Presidential meltdowns to Cabinet Chaos!
all right, let's see. Jeez man, what do you want to do tonight? The same thing we do every night. Pinky, try to take over the world. All right, yo, let's get into it. Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2:You're preaching. Take over the world.
Speaker 1:And greatest chaplain in the world, Mr Lance O'Neal, Take over the world, All right world. We are back properly with the actual intro. I don't know what in the world it was, but you know shenanigans afoot. We are back for another week. It's your boy, KJ Bradley, and the world's greatest chaplain, and we are the Pogues man back in the building for another week. What's going on, Chappy?
Speaker 2:I don't know that intro and everything looks as bad as my wrinkle going on in my shirt. At least something it can say, and my hair for that matter. It's all good.
Speaker 1:Chaos and shenanigans afoot Before we get started. I know last week we started off or we ended off on a semi-controversial. I wanted to address it, so I had to. I took some time. I didn't post those snippets and I wanted to take some time and get some counsel. So I talked to a bunch of different people from a bunch of different backgrounds and I said, listen, this is how the show ended last night last week, and I wanted to hear your feedback and the consensus from both sides of the spectrum, from a lot of different backgrounds, was it's not what you say, it's how you say, and how the?
Speaker 1:message is received, and so you may feel that way, but your audience, the way you presented it, the audience may take it in a very abrasive manner.
Speaker 1:And sometimes when you present a message, no matter how well intended the message was, if the message isn't is received in an abrasive manner, it's not going to, you know, it's not going to to be received. So I didn't vote. So I wanted to, you know, kind of kind of let that, let that simmer and then, if we get some time, kind of come back and circle back and address it in a more comprehensive manner this week. But I don't know, I don't know if we have time. You know, with this administration, everything they are definitely a pray and spray administration. So it's always, it is always something going on.
Speaker 1:I did want to make sure I didn't forget for our social media family. I did not forget to post it. I wanted to go, take some time to get some wise counsel and to talk to a couple of people, a couple of mentors, and say, say, look, that was extremely controversial. I wanted to make sure, you know, in the spirit of the show, I wanted to make sure what I'm saying is not, you know, abrasive and you know I'm saying I don't want to come off as you know, I'm saying I don't want to come off as just another one of those dudes who's just pointing fingers and shit.
Speaker 1:That's never the intent. You know, so I wanted to get wise counsel in that regard and be like all right, look man this is what I was trying to say. This is how it came off, you know, because we had a, you know, short period of time.
Speaker 2:So what do?
Speaker 1:you think they were like yeah, reset that. That's why I didn't post it. That's why I didn't. The guys on TikTok and all that other stuff, that's why you didn't see it. This week I know a lot of people hit me up and was like yo, where's the poll? Why didn't you post it? What's going on? I told you guys I'd address it when we got here. That's why. That's why you didn't see it, that's why we didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2:And that's why it's simmering. Well, I think that's a really mature way of dodging the bullet. No, I'm obviously kidding. I do like what. I really like what you said, because there are times where we I don't want to say we get off of the point of the show. The whole point of the show was never to just complain up with solutions that we see that are viable ways to improve the country, our world, our lives and just the things going on around us. So I really appreciate that. That's the spirit you're coming from and I mean I think you're a fair player.
Speaker 2:I've never taken anything you said as personally derogatory or going off the rails. I'm sure there's things that I've never taken anything you said as personally derogatory or going off the rails. I'm sure there's things that I've said on this that have been taken the wrong way in my life. For sure, I could probably give I don't know a couple examples over the past few years that were literally life altering about how people took things or twisted words or whatever. So you know I don't have a problem with. Well, it didn't go up and honestly, though, I forgot last week I am so just when he said that I was like oh yeah, white people think things.
Speaker 2:I forgot about it. Yeah, plus, I don't see. So I don't see who's on and who's actively watching unless they comment. So I don't see who's on and who's actively watching unless they comment. So I don't know if that's actually watching or Liberty's actually watching until they make a comment. So I was like once you started that, I was like oh no, no, you can't do it because I don't, I can't see. Yeah, because Liberty needs to be on if you're going to start posting things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I just do. I got of um couple of messages on the TikTok page this week. Um, it's like hey, you guys were going to post uh, you guys were going to post a poll. You know we why haven't you posted a poll?
Speaker 2:So I had to.
Speaker 1:You know I wanted to make sure I addressed it, man, and and then I take for granted to how much we're, you know just how far we've we in our audience, man, and just how many people are like like yo hey, you said this on the show, where is it? So just being mindful of that and making sure we keep that into account, like you know, being more accountable, like all right, man, we got to deliver, so that's another reason for the people who don't know, I'm gonna give kj just.
Speaker 2:I'm about to spread it thick on KJ. Kj and I had this thought about doing this. If you haven't been with the show from the start, maybe a quick recap. Kj and I have known each other now since 2015. We served together in El Paso. We had some interesting leadership. We had a great leader in the hurricane, Colonel Norris, who we both really admired and appreciated. But we will both say right off the bat and I'm sure Colonel Norris will agree with this he's a very difficult person to work for as well. He made me a better staff officer and so he did a lot of positive things and improved my military bearing in a lot of ways. So we've known each other.
Speaker 2:And then when, when KJ retired, he got out before me and then I ended up, we ended up talking, and then I ended up moving to the Augusta area, Fort Eisenhower, and KJ was living here, and so we reconnected and started going to lunch and having really, I thought, very, very interesting discussions. And so when we talk about Tupac, so an hour going by, we would sit down, we'd pick a place to go eat. An hour never happened. We're talking two, three. I think our record was almost four and a half hours. We were almost ready to order. The next meal is how long we were talking.
Speaker 1:Strangers jumping into the conversation like, hey, this is really good, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:We had people going, hey. So at that point I kind of was like you know what if we? And we would talk about KJ's script writing and we bumped around some ideas. And then at one point we kind of went you know we should, we should put this online. I mean, it probably won't go anywhere, it's you know, but who cares? It's for us.
Speaker 2:And so KJ is the one who's done all of the legwork on this. I literally show up on Sunday night, I click a button and wait for him to bring me into the studio. If he's not here I can't do the show. I don't have the passwords. Last year KJ was like I need to show you all this stuff. I was like okay, and then we just never did it. I have no idea how to do any of this. Kj is the one who's got us reached out to CTR Media Network. He's the one that clips the has the guy doing? I think he's done some clips and helped with finding somebody to do the clips. This is all on KJ. So if you guys like the show, you should absolutely give KJ a nice big pat on the back. I don't give him that recognition enough. And if you don't like the show. Well, that's probably because I talk too much and I come off as a complete know-it-all dorky white guy. So otherwise I have.
Speaker 2:When KJ says how many people we have following, I literally don't know. I have no idea how many people we have following. I clicked on youtube, uh, on the channel, a couple weeks ago and it said 1400 followers. I was like, wait, what now we? Okay. So I don't know tiktok, I don't. So, hey guys, whatever you're doing to spread the message, to spread the word, if we have people actively watching, great again, all I see here. I'm not even sure how I see the questions that pop up. I don't get the Twitch. I don't get. Like I know what Twitch is. Barely you start talking to some of the others. I don't have any idea. I'm too old for this crap. So luckily, kj. So if you ever want to message me directly, you better tell KJ. Hey, you know what, message this to the other guy who's obviously wrong, and we'll go from there. So there's your pat on the back, kj. Kudos for you to doing Pretty much 99% of legwork. Let me just show up and that's the best.
Speaker 1:That's the best. Just keep cursing us out on TikTok. I love it. I love all the bitch.
Speaker 2:you're all on TikTok Good man Every once in a while. Kt shared one with me when we had an early one. We were talking about race and my favorite comment was just somebody wrote to KT you should know better what. You should know better what, trying to talk about actual things in life, you should know better, okay. So oh, we are now. My daughter is showing me we're at. Is this for YouTube? We are at 3,140 subscribers, so 2,000 more. She's giving me a little sarcastic attaboy, so let's see here's, here's getting this. This is my technical story here what's up, little one?
Speaker 1:okay, she says hi.
Speaker 2:Oh, she says what's up brah? Because we say brah in my house brah all right.
Speaker 1:So let's get to the business at hand. Man, all right. So the chaos or the administration? Holy skamolis man, where do you want to dive in?
Speaker 2:we've had wherever I love it I I'll tell you I'm all in on this we've had what we've had.
Speaker 1:We've had SCOTUS kickbacks, we've had Elon with a chainsaw. Oh, the Germany elections were today. Germany, I didn't see what happened. That was pretty. That was pretty significant. Conservatives ended up winning, thank God. I was not going to lie. I was more nervous than I should have been in Germany in a very long time.
Speaker 2:Did you see what the I'm going off a drudge report headline? Did you see what the turnout was?
Speaker 1:No, was it? I haven't seen the specifics yet 83%. No way.
Speaker 2:That's if America hey look America. If we wanted to have a third party, 87% would be, I believe. Right now we're at about 60%. You could have 23% of people voting for a libertarian party and actually bring some change.
Speaker 1:But that actually makes sense though, because I think the alt-right ended up getting the highest highest rated votes since like World War II or something.
Speaker 2:Well, but they having the highest history.
Speaker 2:Oh, afd scored a historic second place finish. So did the conservative party break 50%, is the question, though, because if not, then they're going to have to do a. Oh my gosh, this is the problem with getting older you forget words. And so what is it? When two parties get together in Europe two different parties and they do a coalition, they'll have to have a coalition man. I'll tell you what. That's the worst part of getting old. Let's see, yeah, um, let's see, yeah. Conservative block won 28.5 percent, followed by the afd, which is the far right, with 20.5. So, yeah, so there's definitely going to be a um.
Speaker 2:Chancellor schultz's social democrats fell to their worst results since World War II, was 16.5. And the Greens at 11.8. And the far left, die Linke party, at 8.7. So that's interesting the far left got 8.7 and the far right got 20.5. I'd be curious in the US if we had and we talked about this before if we had a conservative party, a Republican party, a moderate party, a Democrat party and a far left party, the green party. Let's call it the green party, green Party. I'd be really interested to see what the breakdown of our voting would be like that, because I think moderate would probably Republican and Democrat and moderate, I still think would get the vast majority. But it would be interesting to see that far right and far left because we've talked about this the far left is definitely the loudest part of the left and has a lot of leadership in america.
Speaker 2:Um, aoc, that the multiple people in the media are what I would consider pretty far left. But on the far right in america I think it gets you know, rejected, castigated. I don't, I don't think you would have the same level. Because when we think about the far right and what I think about the far right not with the media, because I don't think that's really what we're talking about when we're talking about the far right, I'm talking about them good old boy rednecks that are down south that say, hey, let's get our hoods on. Or the Aryan Nation in northern Idaho used to be in northern Idaho. I don't know if they're still up there, but they could be. But but when we're talking about far right in America, I think you are talking about strong racial beliefs. You would probably have very few people of color in the far right in America.
Speaker 1:You mean the guys that say things like you know it takes need to put a strong white man in charge, or yeah, I mean, people say stupid things. But let me ask you this, KJ Cause I was going to say, you know, you don't have to look too far.
Speaker 2:But? But let me ask you this because I think we, I think America is unique in a lot of ways because and this historically because we, we were the only country that white people fought and died to end slavery. Slavery before the Civil War was normal not only in America, but common throughout the world. I believe before the US ended slavery, england was really about the only country that really stopped. England was actually ahead of the game of the US by about 50, 60 years because they outlawed slavery in the start of the 1800s. So but if you look right now and you say, name any African country, that their complexion, let's say, matches yours Ghana, nigeria.
Speaker 2:If you have some, if you have those same ideas, and say the and we've both seen this I sent you a video this week of a black man or a group of black men saying we are the true descendants of Homo sapien and white people are actually descendants of Neanderthal, and so therefore, white people are actually below where black people. Black people are the true humans and white people are subhumans. Would you call that group far right in that country, because that's really what it is in a lot of ways, but in America, because we are, so we are really? I think it's fair to say we're one of the most diverse countries, if not the most diverse country in the world. I don't think anybody really matches our demographics the way they are, and that's why when you talk about far right and far left in the US, it's very different than like Germany.
Speaker 2:So I'm curious what your thoughts are when you're talking about America and the political scale versus what you understand of other countries and I could be wrong. If people are out there and saying I'm completely wrong, please let me know. I have no problem with that. Ignorance can be fixed. It means you haven't learned anything yet and I don't believe I'm stupid, which means you can't learn. So what are your thoughts? Kj.
Speaker 1:Well, in terms of diversity, America is. I mean for all the diversity America has.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to say this without being controversial because at its essence.
Speaker 1:Caucasians are a curious breed, right, because you'll have a set of Caucasians who will fight to the death right For civil rights, and you'll have them fight to the death for civil rights. You'll have them fight on the side of right. They'll say, hey, man, this is wrong. Then you'll also have a set of Caucasians who will say, no, this is wrong, those guys are subhuman. We're the only right race.
Speaker 2:It's just really weird, like I, I don't you know, do you think that doesn't happen in africa, though, or in south america, or like china?
Speaker 1:no, not, not without, not without influence, not without influence here's.
Speaker 2:Here's why I think that's now africa. I'm not as familiar with africa. China, I'll tell you right now, is absolutely true. China, japan and korea, chinese people in general, historically have thought that japanese people and korean people are subhuman. Japanese people think that chinese and korean are subhuman and korean think japanese and chinese are subhuman and Korean think Japanese and Chinese are subhuman. So in Asia there's a very clear. They believe there's a clear mongrelization of the Asian and won't even recognize the that there's really any. If you call, you want to piss somebody off. If you're from China, call them Japanese or Korean, it's, it's as bad as honestly it's, and it's a little bit different. Why? Because because of national pride. But Mexican and Puerto Rican are very similar. If you call somebody from Puerto Rico Mexican, that's, that's not good. And so I think and I don't know about Africa, I have no idea- that's what I'm saying Universally.
Speaker 1:there is no place on the globe that you can go when you're this color and not be looked at as an inferior species.
Speaker 2:I think that's true in.
Speaker 1:Africa. Africa is probably the only. Africa is probably the only place. However, even in Africa, due to European influences, there are still places in Africa where you go and you look like this, you still get looked at crazy. Like even if you go to the, even if you go to North Africa, where they mix with Greeks and Romans, and you go to Europe and Algeria and stuff like that, they look at you and they say, oh, you're so, you know, you're not the same. Like even if I was to go back as an African-American, if I was to go to Nigeria, if I was to go to Ghana or if I was to go to Ethiopia, they'd look at me and be like I'm tainted, I'm not a pure African. Oh, because you're not dark enough. Well, not, not, I'm not dark enough, but I've lost my hair, I've lost my heritage, I've lost my roots so, so it's that.
Speaker 2:Is that after conversation, or is that just by looks like? I don't know this is.
Speaker 1:This is after, this is after conversation, because I've been looking into, I've been looking into regaining my citizenship and you know I'm talking to expats around the world like, all right, man, hey, you know where, where, where's the safe space? And there really is no safe space. When you look, like us, there just isn't. And it's really weird because you know, civilization began in Africa. So it's a really weird dichotomy, man, and I don't know, it's just, it's a weird complex.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you something about that. What you just said what's your definition of civilization began in Africa.
Speaker 1:Science, right, Everything. Everything can be mutated from our gene. Right, Everything, right. We can produce every hue on the planet. Right the eve gene came from our dna right.
Speaker 2:So are we? Okay? I just I definitions. Here is why I'm asking Sure, it's pretty well accepted historically that the ideas of civilization and actually the first city and city-states was in the Fertile Crescent, in the Middle East, not in Africa, sir, no way. Well, hold on, no way. What I'm saying is wait. What I'm saying is the big city states Originally, yes, the migration out of Africa happened, yes, and so modern day human, the very first modern day Homo sapiens, were in Africa. What I'm just saying is are we talking about the migration of what would be considered modern day homo sapien? Is that what you're calling civilization? Or are we talking the first written languages and the first larger than tribal coming out of the middle East and the and the fertile Crescent? Cause, I think that there's. It's just a word. It really doesn't matter that much.
Speaker 1:I'm just curious what we're talking about. Even if we were to go that route, right, and you look at it, there's only one continent in one area, right, that hasn't experienced a dark ages, right, that hasn't experienced an age of lost wisdom, right? You want to take a guess what that was?
Speaker 2:Are we talking about something that actually had civilization or is it a trick question like Antarctica? No, no, no trick question.
Speaker 1:Like so, like all right. So we know Europe lost, has a lost knowledge. We know the Americas lost their knowledge. We know South America got wiped out. They lost their knowledge, right. So everybody's lost knowledge except the continent, right, but Africa only.
Speaker 2:Let me hold on though. Everything, well, every, all of his, not all of the most African history was passed down verbally in folk tale and stories. Right, so it's, and it's very. It's very different than the way, let's say, the Jews did it. The Jews did it in very specific. There were very specific songs that were sung down, so like the Old Testament, by the, by the time the Old Testament got to moses, those songs about the creation, about the garden of eden, about jen, they were being sung in verse and that's very specific how their history was done. So, africa and africa, folk tales right, it was folk tales, it wasn't, it wasn't specific, it was folk tales, and I think you lose it's. I think it's very. It's really too bad that the written language didn't get to Africa sooner, because I think there's a ton of lost knowledge. It's, but even with written language, you have, you know, the great library of Alexandria being burned.
Speaker 1:Ethiopia had one of the first written languages in the world bird.
Speaker 2:Ethiopia had one of the first written languages in the world, one of or the or what? Because Babylon had the first one. Well, no, babylon got their language from Ethiopia, not what I've studied, but okay, I could be wrong. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:As a matter of fact, they came to Africa to study.
Speaker 2:Which is really for Cuneiform. It originally came out of Cuneiform writing originally came out of Babylon, and it was. It was used primarily as a as tallying record, record keeping, to say you know, the King has to know what he's got. Yes, no, cuneiform came up and it was basically just scratches on a tablet.
Speaker 1:I hadn't heard that it came out of Africa. It's certainly possible, but West Africa, West Africa I don't know Ethiopia specifically, because I think it was called something else, but the West Africa region, and I'd have to go back and look at it. Well, and again, you have a lot of.
Speaker 2:you have a lot of stuff from Western like the richest, the richest guy in the world. At one point, what most historians say the richest dude in the I think his name was Masa Musa came out of Western Africa and we really don't know that much about him because there wasn't a written language.
Speaker 1:And so but.
Speaker 2:I mean, all of that's awesome.
Speaker 1:I like that, but that but the point I was making is it's weird that out of all of the contributions Right, so you have that you have the to worldwide civilizations, only to be looked at as if your pariah in the world is interesting.
Speaker 2:Moors went to save Europe. Yeah, the Moors went to conquer Europe.
Speaker 1:Yes, the Moors brought Europe out of the Dark Ages.
Speaker 2:Indirectly, because they were coming in to try to take over Spain, and they got pushed back finally. And so the European countries started going this isn't okay. And then the England and some of the other countries started going, hey, we need to push back and let's do these crusades. But the Moors weren't there to save Europe.
Speaker 1:I mean it's the same way you got. I mean it's the same way that you know, the Anglo-Saxons came to save Africa and India and then they came to save the Americas and you know, anglo-saxons never went to Africa to save Africa, though they didn't care less.
Speaker 2:They couldn't care less about Africans. They didn't care less, they couldn't care less about Africans. Yeah, they cared about what was in the ground.
Speaker 1:I know, that's what I'm saying. They came to save. What do they call it? Oh, I see what you're?
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, they came to save. Okay, we need the quotation marks on that. They came to save Africa. Okay.
Speaker 1:They came to save. They came to save and spread love and joy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's where, again, I kind of look at it Historically. I look at some of those words as very specific things England and Portugal and Brazil. Portugal was not going to save Brazil. They were going to claim Brazil because they knew Brazil was a new world and had a lot of stuff in it.
Speaker 1:They didn't want to protect Brazil from itself. Brazil didn't know it needed protecting, but they just they went to go give them a tactical hug is what we like to call it A tactical hug. Grab their arms around them real tight and make sure they're safe. Just take care of them.
Speaker 2:That's the funny thing about history. Nobody's innocent in any of this, right? So so, like you said, you know the Moors were going to save Europe. The Moors were going in and they were. They were trying to dominate as much as anybody else and that's. That's been the history of the world. The winners, the winners have written the history and you know Europe.
Speaker 2:If you went back to, let's say, let's say, 900, 900 AD, right, and we're able to go to 900 AD and we say, hey, world, you know those of you that are the smartest people in the world right now, where is the next great, who's going to be dominant in a thousand years, in 1100 years? They would have said, and knowing the knowledge they had I'm not just saying like random, but like here's the knowledge of where you're at at 900, you know the 10th century they would have said, oh well, it's going to be the Middle East and the Muslims, or the Chinese, or Africa, egypt was, they were on the decline. Yeah, right, they were on the decline, but Western, but Western Africa was starting to kind of get some footholds. So, yeah, the Shites and those guys maybe Right. And then they would have looked and said, oh and, and in the americas. Well, you've got the aztecs, you've got the incas that were on their way up and yeah.
Speaker 2:So, and if you said, well, what about the europeans? Europeans, so what you know, and there's a great book out there called um gosh. It's like germs, steel and guns or something like that. It talks about why, why, uh, the europeans were uniquely. That one last this week somebody yeah, I, I read it a few years. I read it a couple years ago a great book, um guns, steel and bugs or something like that, and he talks about why it ended up being Europe that ended up conquering.
Speaker 2:And a lot of it was dumb luck. And the biggest dumb luck was animal husbandry is because you had the Caucasians throughout Europe, were raising pigs and cows and eating pigs and cows. Well, pigs and having horses run Pigs and cow and horses are not the cleanest of animals. So, just like when you have these parents who don't let their kids play in the dirt or don't do anything, those kids generally have a pretty bad immune system. Well, over a couple centuries, you have caucasians being in the mud and the guck and the gross with cows and pigs and horses, and so they build up an immunity. Yeah, so then, when the conquistadors went to germsteel yeah, germsteel guns, germsteels great book if you haven't read it. So then, when you know Europe went to the New World, they were able to dominate because of a large there was already a natural plague going through the Americas, but then on top of it you had the European plagues that basically came out.
Speaker 2:There's some estimates that the North American tribes where the pilgrims and the settlers came in from Europe, were down to 5% of what they would have been. So on one side you'll have some people go well, see, that's just God preparing the land. Okay, I guess, if you want to look at it like that. But the irony of that all is that, without that happening, the settlers not only do the settlers run into, you know, obviously, people who probably don't want their land taken Settlers would go out and they'd find these paths and they'd start going through the woods and they'd come along these paths and go oh cool, there's a path. Oh, look, yeah, a pre-made, pre-made town for us. Look, there's crops over there and and, and there's, there's animals here that we can and we can feed and we can do some stuff, and well, I guess we'll have to bury all these bodies that are here on the ground, but they're just bodies. So, yeah, so, but, but it's interesting.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things that I've I've always found curious, um, when people argue and you and I have had some of these debates about, you know, the slave trade and all that and it's like, because one of the things I've my I don't I don't want to say issue, because that's that's not the right word for it yeah, um, is that when you start talking about slavery and how slavery was uniquely bad in the US, I don't think it is. I think slavery has been prior to 1860, slavery was the norm in the world outside of, again, england. And so, yeah, 1860 happens, and so we fast forward 150 years and we're still 60, 70 years behind England in terms of some of our racial stuff. But England's now you look at England England's going through a lot of issues with with their policies of immigration, and Muslims are there's a specific word in Islam for basically taking over an area politically by birth rate and immigration. You don't, it's, yeah, it's basically you go in and you outbreed, because Muslims don't think, muslims don't think in terms of tomorrow, next week, next year Muslims and Middle Easterners in general and I'm not saying they don't think about tomorrow. What I'm saying is strategically, and they are thinking about 20 years, 50 years, 100 years from now.
Speaker 2:So if you are a group of people religious or not if you're a group of people and you say, okay, we want to go, take over montana, right, um kj, you want to, you want over Montana, right, kj? You don't think there's enough Black people in Montana and you think it's a right place to turn into a Black state, and you're able to convince a lot of other Black people to move to Montana. And then you tell all of them look, this isn't going to be ours, but this could be our grandkids. And so what we need to do is we need to have kids, lots of kids, this birthright stuff. These, these Montanans, they're worried about going skiing, they're worried about you know, uh, only having a couple of kids. They can't have more than one kid or two. You know if they're seen, if they have a couple of kids.
Speaker 2:So what we're going to do is we're going to go in and we're going to procreate and you watch, within a couple of generations we're not even going to. We don't need to fight for it. All we need to do is go there and eventually this is going to be ours, and that there's an actual I don't remember what it is, but there's a phrase for it in Islam. So you know, that's to me. That's what's going on in England, and most Americans, I don't think, are overly concerned about it. I think you have seen some examples, like in the Minneapolis area, of of this going on, though, but it's it's still. I think it's fairly condensed and condensed, but you still see things. You still see Sharia law being practiced in certain areas of America, underground albeit, sure, but it's something that and maybe I hate to say it like this, but I don't care Like generally, I hope this world is better for my kids and grandkids.
Speaker 2:That said, I'm going to be dead in 20, 30, 40 years, unless something drastic happens. You know, maybe I'm just selfish and I go. I just want to enjoy my time here, I want to have a good job and I want to save something and leave something to my kids. When my dad passed now, four years ago, five years in October, my mom's still living, but out of circumstances, I'm not going to get anything from her, or the house or anything that's already been given to a sibling, which is a whole long story there, but I don't want to do that to my kids. I want to leave something for my kids when I go. But if I'm able to, great, and I hope I can provide a good living for them. But I'm not going to have generational wealth. Very few people will have very, very few people have generational wealth, and those two I don't blame them. Good for them, as long as you're not stealing from somebody else and this is another part we've talked about and I know we're kind of jumping around but if somebody else, if Elon Musk or Bill Gates or whoever comes up with ideas, bill Gates is a great example People talk about oh, billionaires have too much money, and I go, how do you earn it, bill Gates?
Speaker 2:It's immeasurable the amount of labor that has been saved by Bill Gates inventing Microsoft and the personal computer. What we're using right now the man hours, the opportunity and maybe somebody else, maybe Apple, makes it, maybe it's delayed by 10 or 20 years, I don't know, but at the same time he was in the right place at the right time with the right idea, the right work and things. When you start talking about how much time just using the computer to get things done in communication, just in emails and such. You're talking about literally countless hours of man, hours that have been saved by Bill Gates. And so if he's worth 80 billion or 100 billion or 150 billion or 2 trillion, good for him, because at the end of the day he's making that money. Because I'm saying here I'm willing to trade my $150 for your Microsoft package that you developed originally, and so I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2:I have a problem with things like Enron. I have a problem with things like Bernie Madoff when it's stolen and when it's based on lies. And I know people will say well, elon Musk, his is based on lies because he went in and took over companies. Well, okay, but he went over legally and took over companies and he obviously took over the right companies and he's an idiot. He doesn't do any of the engineering, okay, well, he hires the right people. Quick story on that, and I know I've been talking and then I'll shut up. So my older brother, who will never see this, I'm sure, but my older brother always, I think he believes he is the smartest person in the room, in any room he walks into.
Speaker 2:Bring them on, man, I love smart people, except for me. He has readily admitted that I was too smart for him. He didn't know what to do with me when I was little, which I personally think was a BS cop out to not being a good older brother. But OK, so this would have been 20 years ago when, when Bush was in office and he was just. I mean he's. He's the polar opposite of me, like politically and everything else. Right. He lives in Germany. He's an expat. He believes crystals will protect his kids. He hates Trump.
Speaker 2:I am a militaristic chaplain, you know, conservative, who believes that America is the best place. Ok, we could not be more different. And so even then, he just hated Bush. And we're talking. He's. He's just talking about what? What an idiot.
Speaker 2:George Bush is just complete dummy, and I said so. Larry, do you think you're, in all seriousness, do you think you're smarter than President Bush? He goes well, absolutely. I said okay. Well, let me make a point then. Let's presume you are smarter than President Bush.
Speaker 2:You're an underemployed person who has no real nothing foundational. You didn't go to college. Who has no real nothing foundational. You didn't go to college. You basically bopped around your life being a effective pothead ski bum, who has tried to settle into a corporate life, and you can't because you can't make that adjustment.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, the dummy that's in the White House went to Yale, went to Harvard, was the CEO of multiple companies, including the Texas Rangers baseball team. He's been the governor of Texas. Now he's president of the United States. So, whether he's had advantages or not getting into Yale and Harvard, because of his family, because of his dad, fine, but he still had to take advantage of every opportunity and surround himself with smarter people than he is and listen to them. So who's the dummy, him or Bush? You know who's dumber, you or him, because and this is for me, look, I could be the smartest guy in the room. But Bush, all the accomplishments of what he's done compared to me, they're not even close right. I think most of us would trade our lives for the accomplishment you know if it's a straight-up trade the accomplishments for what George W Bush has succeeded in versus the rest of us, because he's one of what 43 people that have been president? 44? Because we have 47, but some of them were, I don't know.
Speaker 1:if I want that pressure, I'll take the access, though.
Speaker 2:But you know what I mean though, right Just?
Speaker 1:the accomplishments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you and I, we're not going to be known, we're not going to be remembered, we're not going to be in history books 500 years from now. George W Bush will be For good. Not going to be in history books 500 years from now. George w bush will be for good or bad. He will be, he will have, he will have a bio that says okay, now I have to think I was here 40, 43rd president of the united states.
Speaker 1:Is that what it is?
Speaker 2:yeah, he's obama is 40. Yeah, yeah, because obama is 44, yeah, yeah trump Obama was 44, trump's 45. Yeah, trump's 45, so 43, yeah, so Well, that was quite. I'm sorry I completely tangenced there, didn't I?
Speaker 1:No, you're good, I like that riff. No man, it's, I am. I think this administration is Just. I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:I am in wait and see mode. Like I said, I am so excited for the SCOTUS sessions this year. I told you how I felt about it. I think we talked about it a little lot last year about how I wasn't looking forward to how the SCOTUS was set up. And you know I was excited for the baby SCOTUSs because I feel like they're more. I think they're more lenient or at least more willing to hear cases and they hadn't been as corrupt to hear cases and they hadn't been as corrupt. But those institutionalist scotuses I think they're going to have a difficult time.
Speaker 2:I just so you look at Alito and Thomas as the institutionalist bedrocks, correct? Yeah, they are, but do you think they're any more institutional bedrock for their political belief, for their constitutional interpretations, than Sotomayor and Kagan are for their side?
Speaker 1:about party. I think they give a shit about who's in their pockets. I don't think it's about party and I don't think it's been about party in a very long time. I think it's about sponsorship. We'll see. Here's where their philosophy is going to conflict with who is sponsoring them. Right, because for the longest time, alito and Thomas has been using the Constitution as a prop. Right, as a as an excuse of this is why we can't I'm an originalist.
Speaker 1:I believe in the Constitution and it's a founding document and it's this and it's that right. Well, now you have a POTUS who has essentially said you know, for better or for worse, fuck the Constitution. I'm doing things my way and I'm going to challenge everything with my interpretation. Everything goes through me, by me and for me Interpretation of what. His interpretation of the Constitution.
Speaker 2:There you go. That's the key to it. But that's the key to all of this is you're talking about the interpretation of the constitution and that's where, like you said, scotus is really interesting, because you already have two rock-solid, we'll say, originalists, yeah, two rock-solid progressives, right, and you used to have kind of four and four fairly clear, and then the one in the middle, and I don't think now, I don't think it's like that, I think you have four that really are Lucy, not Lucy Goosey are willing to.
Speaker 1:They can go either way. Look, there's nothing that says the Constitution hasn't changed outside of the amendments, right?
Speaker 2:So unless there's a constitutional amendment, we can agree that the Constitution itself does not change. The interpretation does, but not the cost and that's where the problem lies is the interpretation, because the interpretation used to be that owning a black, that a black person, was just property, right? Right, dred Scott. So you have the failure of people when it comes to the interpretation. You don't have the failure of the document, Right, and so that's where? And curious, I think it's always funny when you hear people say well, look at what it says in the Constitution about the Second Amendment. It doesn't mean everybody can have a gun. It's like well, hold on the First Amendment. You don't like parts about the First Amendment, but the first like especially this argument, this is the one that kills me every time I hear it.
Speaker 2:Well, when the makers of the, when the framers of the Constitution, the writers of the Constitution, what they were doing, they didn't know that there were going to be guns that could fire a thousand rounds a minute. They didn't know there were going to be AR-16, evil AR-16s that could kill and make bullet holes this big in the back of people. They would, yeah, well, right, but I mean, but that's the argument, right, and I say yeah, but you know what? The first amendment also the. When they wrote the first amendment, they were using quills and ink and and writing stuff down and putting it in wax and send it and say, hey, get this to philadelphia, we're in washington, get this to philadelphia as soon as possible and get me a response. Ok, well, it's going to be about three weeks before we, before they get that response. So they couldn't imagine the situation where you could literally like in the palm of my hand, if I want, I could literally right now text somebody in Australia and get a response literally in seconds.
Speaker 2:So they couldn't comprehend that Our news cycles or instant media yeah, so that's where the argument of the Constitution versus the interpretation of the Constitution. Yeah, I agree, it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1:You're going to run up against this. You're going to run up against what the institutionalists, the foundational SCOTUSes are going to have 30 years. Yeah, Alito is about 30. He's about 25, 30 years. Now You're going to have Thomas is over 40.
Speaker 2:He was in the early early 80s, in the early 80s.
Speaker 1:But here you're going to have opinions where they've ruled before, that are contrary to what the interpretation is now.
Speaker 2:So now, You've got the SCOTUS receipts, you get what I'm saying so now.
Speaker 1:Either you were wrong then or you're wrong now and you have to make amends for that. And that is where I think it's going to get good for the SCOTUS, because now you have to reconcile with yourself and say, okay, that is. And then one thing about CT is he does not like to admit he was wrong, he does not like to recant a goddamn thing. And that is going to be. I'm telling you, I am going to watch with a hawkish eye his every word. He doesn't like to talk during sessions. He just kind of sits in the corner and just does his own thing. But I am going to read fervently his words this session. I am going to thoroughly enjoy SCOTUS sessions this year. This is one of those things where I am so excited and so looking forward to it. I've given this administration up.
Speaker 1:I just assume it's a wash. I'm taking honor. I don't think they're going to make it. They have so many egos, so many weird personalities where it's just not going to work. You got a dude that just I don't know. I don't know Like it's fun and games now Everybody's. You know Everybody's cute now All the antics and shit. But it's going to grow old quick.
Speaker 2:I hear what you're saying. I'm curious, though, how much Thomas will and let's just stay with thomas how much thomas will amend his previous um positions, because in 40 years, in 40 years, he is never, not a single time.
Speaker 1:So that's why I'm saying, that's why I said now it's going to get interesting, because he is never. Even when faced, even when faced with his own words, he just shrugged it and was just like yeah, whatever. So now I am, that's why I said this is, this is going to be great for me.
Speaker 2:And that's where I say like, even if, if you look back and you say, ok, I made the decision at the time with the best information available, are you going to have?
Speaker 2:Is Clarence Thomas going to Going to say, and I'm trying to think of a situation I would say something like same sex marriage? But he was against same sex marriage to begin with and always has been. But I'm trying to think of a situation that has changed from, say, 1985 to 2025. Maybe something along the lines of, I don't know, because it has changed so much. Let's say, intellectual rights, for I don't know like, let's say, actors likeness on AI OK, let's say that, because I don't know if there's been a ruling on that. I don't know, like, let's say, actors likeness on AI Okay, well, let's say that, because I don't know if there's been a ruling on that. I don't know if he said things on that, but if you had a ruling that Thomas had done in the early stages of the internet, in 19, let's say 1995, when it came to, and I'm completely making this up so in 1995, and I'm completely making this up so in 1995, Clarence Thomas said it is it? I believe it should be illegal to share photographs of other people without their consent because of the privacy you know, the privacy of the 14th, the 14th amendment, garrett garrett has some privacy guarantees, right. And so I think in 1995, thomas says nope, you should not be able to share photos. Fast forward 30 years and, for whatever reason, somebody you know, let's say the ncaa. The ncaa says hey, um, you know, our athletes come up and they're saying, hey, our like and kindness deals. We want not only to be heard about like and kindness that we've already done but we also want to have some protections that, even though we've been paid for our likeness, that an AI company cannot come in and manipulate our images, yeah, and the argument is well, in 95, you said it was illegal to share without the consent. But in 2025, well, you've already been paid for your like in kindness, right, you've already been paid for your image. So once you've been paid for that image, if the NCAA wants to turn around and resell it to Grok and Grok can now make replays, sports center highlights of your likeness going and playing in the new NBA jams you should be able to right.
Speaker 2:So I could see a situation where, because we are in certain situations so drastically different in the last 30 or 40 years, different in the last 30 or 40 years. I don't think it's even debatable that we have had the most advance in technology in the world. In every aspect of human life has advanced the most in the past 40 years than any other 40 year period in the history of the world. Just, the wheel was like one big thing. Well, we've had the internet, space travel, airplanes, go on and on and on, right.
Speaker 2:So, if so, if Clarence Thomas looks at that and he says, well, yeah, in 95, I, I ruled that way because the internet was just starting out, and that's just, it was very, it was a very, very different. And now, societally, that's just, it was very, it was a very, very different. And now, societally, that's kind of a norm thing is to share pictures. And so if not only sharing pictures, somebody got paid for it already. Well, yeah, so I could see him potentially changing.
Speaker 2:But I think it would have to be along those lines. I think it would have to be fairly drastic. I don't think it would be along the lines of, hey, um, you know, I, I was against same sex marriage. I think this, the Lawrence, uh, where homosexuality was, was not, uh, illegal anymore, the Lawrence decision, uh, and whatever the the same sex one ended up being I know it was Prop 8, but that wasn't the name, it was Obergefell, and I don't think there's going to be one where he comes out and goes well, you know, I'm going to vote the same way because this group wants to make throuples legal, and so well, you know what? Yeah, that's okay. Oh, you giggle. One of my nieces was on that throuples reality show. Hi, mia, I watched the show a little bit. It was interesting.
Speaker 1:I don't know man, I found it. I think Barrett's going to be interesting. She's a little. She's. She's a lot more moderate than I, than I assume. Her what's the boy that caught hell doing his confirmation Kavanaugh? He's, he's moderate, but I think I think he'll. He'll be, he'll be somewhere. He'll be more right than moderate. I believe KGB will be more left than moderate, so they'll balance each other out for the most part.
Speaker 2:Saddam.
Speaker 1:Oyer be more left than moderate. I think it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I'm really, really excited, like I am really excited.
Speaker 2:So so, with what you just said and just ran through those different choices, do you think the people on the the left especially, but including the Senate that were so vitriolic against those picks? And it wasn't because Kavanaugh? They didn't go after Kavanaugh because he was a random. He was just a dude who in college liked to drink beer right, he was targeted because they thought he was going to be another Thomas and another Alito. They went after him. I will still say to this day that the woman who got in front of him.
Speaker 1:Well, that and the rape thing, I think Like, I think the rape thing was like, I mean it's guilty.
Speaker 2:There were so many.
Speaker 1:But you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean Exactly, it's one of those things.
Speaker 2:When that lady came out I was like, hey, that judge raped me. It was a bald-faced lie. Then it's a bald-faced lie now. There was no proof. None of her friends even supported her saying, yeah, she told me about that you have. So I'm saying, does Kavanaugh deserve and don't get me wrong, he'll never get it but Kavanaugh absolutely deserves an apology. But that's what. When you talk about dirty politics and I think we talked about the Nixon Kennedy thing, we talked about this Nixon-Kennedy thing, we talked about this To be fair, your boy McConnell was a whole hole for that too, because that shouldn't have never been Kavanaugh's seat in the first place.
Speaker 1:Obama should have been able to fill that seat way before Kavanaugh got a shot. That was a bitch move, and Kavanaugh can burn in hell for that. How a bitch move, and Kavanaugh how can burn in hell for that.
Speaker 2:That was how dare you, sir, how dare you, sir, calling Mitch McConnell my guy? He got a special place.
Speaker 1:I hope, I hope he burns. I hope he has the slowest, most painful, agonizing syphilis induced death ever induced man death, ever induced man.
Speaker 2:Now, harry Reid, who was the Democrat majority leader for a long time, is of my faith. He is of my faith, he is a member of the.
Speaker 1:It was his idea to induce that dumbass decision.
Speaker 2:Harry Reid set up McConnell for all those decisions. He was like I'm going to do all this because we're in charge right now, not thinking, hey, you know what Four years from now, when the Republicans are in charge, they could do this too. So yeah, harry Reid, back in the day I thought he was a despicable person. My niece met him, said he's a great guy, he's a good guy, talked to him at church but I said I don't care, he is a horrible person. And McConnell is just the opposite version Idiot. Yeah, he's just the film negative. They are two pieces of the pod. They both deserve whatever they get in the afterlife. Two peas at a pod. They both deserve whatever they get in the afterlife. And McConnell the fact McConnell's announced his retirement at the end of next year is ridiculous. He should be out 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:He's been freezing.
Speaker 2:He's done everything but fall and flat on his face while in front of reporters and the dude is still. How do you get you and I talked about this a little bit online how do you get rid of a senator that is clearly diminished if he doesn't want to go or she? You can't, you can't recall him.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately you can't, they're just, they're stuck there. And then, what's her name? Ponson. Is she still alive?
Speaker 2:No, she died. That's the only reason she got out of her seat. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You got to do something like that. You should not be able to, you should not be able to like Die in office of old age. Like she was in, wasn't she in an old folks home?
Speaker 2:There was a Republican that they found in the house that she went missing last summer. She went missing, no roll calls. They found her in an old folks home for dementia Insane. Think about it. We talk about the swamp in DC, and it's not just deep state, the swamp is just as much those career politicians, career administrators for politicians right, because if you are, if I get, let's say, let's say I run for Congress, right, and I win here, in whatever district this is.
Speaker 2:I think I'm in the like Georgia 12th or something. Honestly, I don't even know. So that's why it was nice to live in Utah. We only had three districts when I grew up. I know I know which district I was in back then. So so, if I get, if I get, not, if I win the election now, I'm going to have my staff here in Georgia, but I'm going to need some people that know DC. And so, even if, if my staff, I'm not going to have a huge staff, but I think I'm going to have, you know, five to 10 people on staff I think that's about what most people have before interns.
Speaker 2:And let's, let's cut it down. Let's say a nice even number like six or six, and let's, let's cut it down. Let's say a nice even number like six, six yeah, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna bring three or four from georgia with me, that I know, and then I'm gonna have to have two or three that I pick up in dc, that know dc. With those two in dc that are huge problem, because I can go in and say this is you know what? Kg and I, when we were pox, we were talking about doing this and this and this and this, and I promised that when I got to DC I was going to do this, this, this and this. I want to do those four things. What do I need to do? Let's go and those two are going to go. Hold on, chaplain, if you want to get those four things done, what we really need to do is look at those four things and see which of the four is even possible to do, because you can't get those first three done.
Speaker 2:That fourth one maybe, maybe in a couple of years, once you've established yourself, because and how you're going to have to establish yourself is you're going to have to go and you're going to have to meet with this person, this person, this person, this person, who are all senior leadership, and you're going to have to pledge fealty to them and then, if they have a bill that comes up, I'm going whoa, I don't believe in that at all. Well, you know that fourth thing you were talking about, that you wanted passed. If you don't vote for our thing, you're going to be out in, we're going to, we're going to put you out in the offices back in siberia and we're never gonna let a single bill that yours comes up. You are part of this party and we don't care if you believe in this or not. If you don't fall for it, we're not going to support you for your re-election. We're not going to.
Speaker 2:And so your staff is going and they're doing all the the stuff. When we talk about the leaders and all that stuff the world leaders that's not where the stuff gets done. It gets stuff. The Lord. Two or three steps down, they're making the sausage.
Speaker 2:And then Trump and Zelensky come out and say I hate you, I hate you, but here's the peace deal. But that all got worked out two or three levels down Right. So to me that's another part of it. But that's also why Trump can't do anything about that, because those people do not fall under the executive branch, they fall under the legislative branch and until you have legislature that the senators and representative of the House that say you know what, you've been here how long? I'm not hiring you. Anybody that's been in DC for over 10 years, I don't want you. If I were to ever go to DC, if I was ever elected and I won't be, I'm not gonna run, I don't have the money, et cetera. If some billionaire came and said, hey, chaplain, I'm gonna support when you retire, I'm going to support and I'm going to back you, I'd be like great. And if I won, I guarantee you right now I wouldn't take a single person to DC because I don't trust any of them.
Speaker 2:And that's and that's where.
Speaker 1:Trump is right now. You and I are talking about this. Well, you guys do, because he doesn't. He doesn't trust, he doesn't trust these people. But you have an eccentric billionaire in there who, so called, is a hell bit on chaos and instead of doing all of those Great and wonderful things like cleaning the swamp, they're stealing fucking data.
Speaker 2:Wow, I thought Elon. I thought Elon. So here's the thing. I thought Elon, somebody brought this up with him. Somebody shot that accusation to him on X and he said if I was in here just to steal people's data, why wouldn't I have done that when I was at PayPal, when I had all the data I needed then?
Speaker 1:Because PayPal only has a couple of what? A couple? Maybe a couple of million servers, if that.
Speaker 2:But if you're looking at data and you're looking at analytics between PayPal and X, how much more is there Like? Is it because he's going into the Treasury Department to see who makes how much money? Again, paypal had all that.
Speaker 1:Do you realize how much data he has access to? It's not that I'm saying, okay, he's been to the IRS, right, doe he's been into what other places has he been? Into Treasury he's gotten. So he has unfeathered access into every, basically every department, every government department, right, every government department Unfeathered access. So he has unprecedented access. Twitter does not have that access. Twitter couldn't get that kind of access. Neither can PayPal. So I got it right. And what else is he supposed to say? Oh, no, I'm not stealing your data. It's like you're asking the bank. Of course, no, I get that. Are you in here to rob this bank? Absolutely not. I'm just wearing this mask and carrying this shotgun because you know it's my Second Amendment, right? I'm not here to steal anything.
Speaker 2:See, and I look at it the opposite. I look at it and saying why would Elon rob a bank when he's worth half a trillion dollars and is the richest man in the world?
Speaker 1:Sure Well, I mean, like I said, we'll find out it just, it looks real funny.
Speaker 2:I mean it just it Well, ok, does it look funny? Does it look funny? Does it look funny because it's never been done. Now, remember when you and I were talking last year. This is what I said, something along the lines of we've been doing the same thing, we've been voting in the same type of people for decades and we have been as a as a country. We've been on a slow decline since, and World War Two, like that, was kind of I would say that's kind of peak. Could have been more peak if, if segregation had actually worked at that point and you know the soldiers that came home and the GI Bill and all that stuff. But regardless of of past errors, I would say that's probably a high point for our country. We were on a slow. Vietnam definitely hammered it down.
Speaker 2:The 80s came along Good, nice bump for money. Internet came along in the 90s Awesome for knowledge. 9-11 happened, huge patriotic surge again. Since then, pretty consistent decline, but surely less, maybe less. Presidential is the word less honorable, less trustworthy? Should we say presidential? Is that a good word for it? Just people you want representing us? I'm going to tell you, what's the word?
Speaker 1:No. So we, like I said, we've all been optimistic. But here's my thing right, when you have Optimistic, no, no. So here's my thing. Right. When you have a semester, no, no, I'm dead. So here's my thing when you have heart trouble, you don't go see a podiatrist. Right. When you have, when you, when you're having a mental disorder, you don't go see a dermatologist, Scientologists right? Those two things are incompatible, right? Or you know, when you need to go plant roses in your backyard, you don't go hire a veterinary. Those two things are incompatible, they don't make sense, right?
Speaker 2:And when you're doing audits, you don't hire coders. It don't make sense. But when you are trying to cut fraud, waste and abuse, when you've had somebody that has done that with companies and gone in and cut the fat and increased efficiency. And look at twitter. Remember when elon bought twitter, what was the first thing he did? How many people did he fire?
Speaker 1:That's what everybody likes, I love.
Speaker 2:Twitter. I love Twitter, right, but but remember, he fired what was it Like? Half of the half of the staff and he said we're going to get rid of all this nonsense of juice bars and this and that. And he, he fired half of them and another 10% quit. And everybody says you know everybody on the left, the MSNBC oh, twitter's dead, it's it. This is the biggest mistake that Musk could have made. And you know MSNBC, joy Reed jumping up and down saying watch what happens. Twitter's dead because of this dummy. And nothing against Joy Reid. I really appreciate that you just got fired, but but I don't know what she said about Musk, so I retract that. She said that, but you did have multiple, so X is doing pretty well now. Right, I think it's still the go to. You don't think X is still the go to media.
Speaker 1:It probably is, but X is in the red. X is still losing money.
Speaker 2:Has X ever turned a profit?
Speaker 1:Before Elon had it. Yes, not since he had it. Okay, it could eventually. I don't think they've recovered yet. It could eventually. I don't think that. I don't think they've recovered yet. Still, still, you know, I don't think they've recovered yet, I haven't looked into it, but I don't think they have.
Speaker 2:I know part of that was Part of that was also because they my user statistics statistics. Even though has not reported net profit law, oh, it hasn't reported its net profit or loss for 22 or 23 and then the company bought it. So when did when did Musk buy X? When did Musk buy X? When did he buy it 2020? What? When did Elon buy? I love that we're doing live.
Speaker 1:No, you're good. We're good because I want to make sure. Because I want to make sure they did the same thing with Donald Trump. They praised Donald Trump For his business acumen.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing Twitter Was purchased by Elon Musk In 2022. Okay, 2022, here's the numbers. Okay, and we'll go back to the big ones. So from 2012 to 2017, it was losing between $80 million and $108 million. In 2018, turned a $1.2 billion profit 2019, $1.47 billion profit Pretty good, right. But then it lost $1.4 billion in 2020. And then it lost $221 million in 2021. So it had two good years, so it recovered. Now it was still, even after, it's still in the red overall. The whole time it's been around just looking at the numbers, um, but it was good. In 2018 and 2019 were the two positive years. 2020 basically wiped out 2018 and then 2019. And we don't know after Musk. It says on here and this is by I used the Brave browser unreported, but in 2022 and 2023, unreported but suspected to be unprofitable. In 2024, projected positive 904 million, so projected to make almost a billion dollars.
Speaker 1:2025, projected over a billion dollars 1.09 that was after the after his self valuations, that's. That's after he evaluated. He gave the self-evaluation well valuation versus evaluated, he gave.
Speaker 1:Well, valuation versus revenue are two different things. But he I mean, yeah, he gave, he gave it, he gave himself like a a hundred billion dollar valuation, but then so, but you, you take that right and you say, okay, we can, we can take twitter and say, all right, well, we didn't get the numbers there and we look at, we'll look at other companies. We said, well, what is tesla doing? All right, well, tesla was profitable, but then it had that that sharp decline. And then you know, all right, cool, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, tesla, all right it was at one point, didn't, wasn't tesla the most valuable corporation in the world, just like last year, highest valuation of any company in the world, last year Self-valuation Market evaluation.
Speaker 1:Tesla is a publicly traded yeah, but he did the same thing that he did the same thing that 45 and 47 did. That landed him in federal hot water. He said, hey, my company is worth this much. And they said, okay, prove it.
Speaker 2:The people that were when you're talking about stock, you can't do that self-evaluation.
Speaker 1:The people that were looking into it, the OIG, and you can look this up. The people that were looking into it. Those were one of the first people who Special Employee Musk decided to let go. One of the first. Those were one of the first people who special employee Musk decided to let go the one of the one of the agencies that were looking into that, that whole self-evaluation thing. So we'll never know what the true answer is, but then we take that to the side. So wait, so we'll take that.
Speaker 2:That's OK, we'll take that to the side, we'll take that to the side, and then we'll say well, the side I'm not even saying Trump's a great businessman. Yeah, I understand, we're talking about Elon.
Speaker 1:That's two companies. We'll take that to the side and then we'll say, well, what about SpaceX? And they will say, well, SpaceX really wasn't profitable except for the government handouts that Obama gave them for eight years Contracts are not handouts Services rendered. Those were not contracts, though.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're talking about the subsidies.
Speaker 1:Yes, those were not contracts. Contracts and subsidies are two different things we're talking about.
Speaker 2:I thought you were saying we're talking about welfare.
Speaker 1:That company was underwater and going to bankrupt. And what he got, he got six years of subsidies and two years of contracts once he became sold. So a different thing, right, well, there will be no SpaceX had he not got, no, six years of subsidies. So that company was bailed out, right. And then we talk you know he did have, you know he did come back and get the first company where he became the CEO, or he was fired and then came back as a CEO, sold it to Comcast and made like a 20 million dollar profit and stuff like that. So there are, you know, instances of success. I'm not shitting on the guy overall. You know you grow and you learn as you go. But what I'm saying is I don't think I think his, his, his business acumen is completely, you know, overblown, like he's not this, you know he's not this fucking you know business whiz kid, he's just.
Speaker 2:OK, so let me, let me push back a little bit on, I think, maybe a misperception. Sure, ok, right now.
Speaker 2:We are at the point where Trump has said turn off the money, spigot. There's all this money behind the dam and it's been shooting out of the over, right, just shooting out at. If you've ever seen the bottom of the Hoover Dam, it's awesome. It's just. You got the dam and the dam and the water is just shooting. The water. That's that's what's been going on for years, right, including when Trump was in, including when Trump was there as 45. Right, and? And so there's this money been shooting out, and so Trump has has come back in and he said look, I'm going to shut that off. And that's what's happening. Shut it off Right now.
Speaker 2:When you're saying and I agree with you when you're saying, if you're going to go in and find out where this money went, you don't use coders, you use forensic auditors right, we're not at that point yet, though Trump and Musk Trump has not come out and said look, we need to go in and find out where all this money went so we can recoup it, because we both know it doesn't matter where that money went, it is gone. Right, you could see full-on dead receipts from USAID to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was the instigator of 9-11, to direct payment to Billy McConnell who transferred money to Mitch McConnell. You could have that exact same. And Mitch McConnell is not going to jail, he's not going to get tried. They're not going to recoup any of the money, right? Just an example. I mean we get mad thing that, yeah, right, okay. So so we're not at the point where we're looking and saying now we need to go get the money.
Speaker 2:What they're looking at is let's stop this, we need to stop the money going out. Then if you have A through Z and all of these have the spigots of money going out, we need to shut them all off. Then look and say, okay, you know what G needs to be turned back on, but don't turn it all the way back on. It only needs 80% of what it was before. And the DOD, which is the biggest one, hold on. We need to cut that down to 92% of what it has been blowing out. They're not going back yet and doing any of the audits. That's why I don't think it's necessarily a great argument to say, hey, you need to have coders in there, or I mean you need to have auditors in there.
Speaker 2:Yet Now I hope, honestly I hope, that after the initial floodgates are shut down and reopened appropriately at the appropriate levels and the American people and I've said they were talking about they're talking about doing a refund and saving X amount of money back to the American people, which I think is ridiculous. Just stop spending money. Don't, don't create any more inflation, just stop it. Just stop wasting this money. Let our money be valuable again. But at that point, if they go in and they want to start doing the audits and they start finding where the money went and they have the DOJ, department of Justice, go in and start doing actual investigations and bring in the auditors and all that, if Mitch McConnell illegally took $1, if Ted Cruz illegally took $, never and it helped, if, well, I'm just for me, for me and probably for most conservatives, most conservatives will say, yeah, you know what? It's not okay for anybody to be stealing money. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Hold that thought I want you to put your objective glasses on. So we got the wall of receipts.
Speaker 2:I can't even see that that's the problem with the wall of receipts. I can't even see that that's the problem with the wall of receipts. My objective glasses are no better than my normal glasses. I can't read a single part of that. You're going to have to tell me what it says All right.
Speaker 1:So we are on the wall of receipts on Doge right and we're talking about the total contract value. I was going through this. I'm so glad they finally got things put up here. You're on Doge. Yep, Go to dogegov and look at the wall of receipts. I want you to scroll down.
Speaker 2:I started looking at it. I'm opening up and it says saving spend workforce regulations join. Where am I going to Click?
Speaker 1:savings.
Speaker 2:Click savings Savings. Scroll down Wall of receipts Now.
Speaker 1:I want you to so at the time.
Speaker 2:Oh, savings. Scroll down. Wall of receipts. Ok, gotcha, now I can see what it's saying.
Speaker 1:Ok, yeah, well, you used to be able to see more. If you click, see more Right On contract, right If you scroll down, there is a more. Yeah, I want you to see if you can notice a trend. I noticed a pattern right now. This is this is from Doge, who is?
Speaker 2:looking for their own. They're all, they're all media contracts.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Keep looking. There's another pattern, keep looking. This is Doge, who's looking for fraud, waste and abuse in the government. Right, it's a, you know, it's not not a partisan issue. It's not, you know, left or right. We are looking for fraud, waste and abuse and I want you to see if you can notice the pattern. I was able to pick it up about about 50 in oh, 50 in.
Speaker 2:Are you looking at, are you looking at multiple DIE items? Yeah, there's a lot of DEI, there's a lot of ton of Politico subscriptions, which is hilarious, because if you're paying that much money to Politico, which is basically a free online site, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of EO, eo, a lot of study on equitable Small business.
Speaker 2:Asia Pacific. Am I supposed to be looking at the big stuff or the small stuff? All of it? So, in the interest of time, a lot of foreign stuff. So, in the interest of time, I'll cut it short, right what I've noticed Gettysburg, the Gettysburg staff ride services for forest service $150,000 for people on the for the forest service to walk people around and say this is what happened in Gettysburg $150,000.
Speaker 1:Staff rides can get extended.
Speaker 1:Staff rides yeah you and I both know staff rides are ridiculous too. Before we get into the final thoughts, the pattern right? Sure, either we have one side of the wing who is grossly inept at stealing and the other side of the wing who is just absolute angels at fiscal responsibility and not stealing a dime. Well, somebody's lying and you ain't got to answer. But me thinks some shenanigans are afoot with the reporting, because throughout that entire savings list I find it hard to believe not Not a single dime went to any conservative programs for fraud, waste and abuse. Out of every government department shut down so far, not a single dime was spent toward fraud, waste and abuse for a conservative program. And with that thought we go to final thoughts.
Speaker 2:I'll just say this I think that one way to look at that also is, as you go back over the last four years, yeah, most of it's going to go to liberal causes. So if you start getting back and they go back further, but most of the contracts they're only going to be like I don't know how long government contracts for, aren't they only generally four, a year or two? So you know what I mean. Unless you're talking about a contract that's longer than four years, it's going to be.
Speaker 1:Mostly they went back quite a bit. I think the last, the last, the oldest one I saw so far has been about six years. Okay, but yeah, but even, all right. So even are you saying that in four years not a single conservative effort received a single government contract, not not one conservative cause at all. Nobody got paid.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying that. Well, I'm saying that there's a difference between how contracts are done and what we're looking here on Doge. The number of contracts that are done by the federal government is probably somewhere in the millions. So I will say this If there are conservatives and Republicans that were going in and screwing with the system and backdooring the system and paying you know kickbacks or whatever, shut them down too, yeah. So I think for the most part it's easy to say this is the low lying fruit, this is the easy stuff to see, and go turn it off. So it's. If there's stuff that's a little harder to find, I hope they find it, I hope shut it down, because I don't think the federal government should be spending anything on things that don't specifically help the American people and that are. If you showed it to an average American, average American me and you and saying here's what we're spending, that we went OK, makes sense, Cool. If you can't do that should be cut it.
Speaker 1:I like it, I like it, I like it. Hopefully they'll. I think it's a little one-sided. I think that bird is leaning heavy right right now with the report We'll see as long as the cuts are coming.
Speaker 2:I'm happy, Keep cutting.
Speaker 1:I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, but they are definitely looking one-sided.
Speaker 2:Remember, there is more than a 0 percent chance that it is mostly the left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mostly Sure I'll buy, mostly for a dollar. But out of over 200 reports, not a single conservative effort starts to look a little iffy.
Speaker 2:If you? If yeah, we'll see. And I'd be curious what kind of look if the federal government was in the last four years. Well, let me ask you this Do you think there's any chance in the last four years the federal government had a subscription, the federal government meaning the executive branch? Do you think there's any chance that they were paying subscription rates to Fox News or any of the Fox? I know you think Biden and the Democrats were saying, yeah, let's go subscribe to the Fox News.
Speaker 1:I don't think Biden, but then again I don't think Biden was subscribing personally to political when I say I got you, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying like yeah, but I'm saying like it wasn't just you know, it wasn't just fighting Like we got Department of Agriculture, we got, I mean hell, you look at them, you look at the DOD, every fucking, every television in the damn dental clinics, on Fox News. So you mean to tell me not a single subscription to Fox News, nowhere.
Speaker 2:Over. Well, first of all, those are cable. No, but what I'm saying is, in the last four years from 2020 to 2024, when I walked into public spaces, in military public spaces, it was probably closer to 80% CNN and 20% Fox News. If it was political, if it was political Back when you and I were at El Paso, yeah, it was probably the other way. It was 80-20. But for the last four years, no, it was CNN was much more was shown in the dental offices, in the hospitals, the places that I've been, Even inside certain agencies that I worked at for a couple of years Alphabet Cities it was more. When you walked in and you saw all the COVID numbers, that was CNN exclusively, in fact.
Speaker 1:Weirdos, either way, that's it for us, man. We will see you guys next week. Power. See you guys next week.
Speaker 2:Power Jeez man, what do you want to do tonight?
Speaker 1:The same thing we do every night. Pinky, try to take over the world. All right, yo, let's get into it. Try to take over the world You're preaching. Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2:They're preaching freedom. They're trying to take over the world.
Speaker 1:And there is a chaplain in the world. They're trying to take over the world.
